Just an idea

Ikea · Post by **Ikea** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:08 pm

Now ill tell you from the outset, i dont know jack about how to connect to DC++ and what all the crazy words you guys use so if this idea is bollocks dont be too harsh on me!

I was thinking, is it possible to connect to DC++ in a Wireless Hotspot on campus and would ITS know about it? That way, surely theres no risk of your residential connection being cut and you being fined.

CrAzYfOoL · Post by **CrAzYfOoL** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:13 pm

well in theory this is possible but when you use a wireless hotspot you have to log in using your warwick password etc. This means they will trace the route back to you. Also when your on the network your mac address will be recorded and when you get back to your room and plug your laptop in the same mac address will log into the network and they will know where you are and probably block your port.
There is ways around this i.e. changing mac adress or spoofing it or masking it as someone elses adress but its not worth the trouble, and its kinda leading to phreaking and hacking territory

CrAzY

xyzzy · Post by **xyzzy** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:56 pm

Also, wireless is slow, and has much lower throughput than the LAN.
I don't know about laptops specifically, but I'm pretty sure the wireless card would have a different MAC address to the wired ethernet card. But anyway, of course you would be traceable. You would likely use up all the wireless bandwidth and risk degrading the service for other users.

A couple of years ago, when ITS were being less silly about filesharing, somebody complained on the main warwick forums about how it was limited to 512K, and it was taking too long for them to fill up their laptop HD etc., and that got the internal hub blocked from the library hotspots.

Post by **BigG** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:23 pm

Yeah, there are some real idiots out there...
However, yes, your MAC address would most likely be logged and would be traceable plus you have to log onto the VPN in order to use all the services etc else you can only use http iirc.
This being said, if it is just a small file, then I wouldn't have though that they would really care, but don't go downloading an entire series or something silly

echelon · Post by **echelon** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:30 pm

n adding to all the very valid points above.. if u did either not care bout ur mac address being recorded.. or spoofed it. then make sure u're near the hotspot as u'll otherwise have such a lousy connection its not worth it.. Wireless will be fast enough as long as u stay close to hotspot and have a good wireless card. In theory off-campus users could do it as they dont have a room to go back to.. so they couldnt have their port blocked.. not sure why they would want to tho.. connection will most likely be slower than their house.. also connections to resnet are hard to setup.. they will all go through the traffic shaper at which points connections would again be nice and SLOW.. so defeated the purpose...

CrAzYfOoL · Post by **CrAzYfOoL** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:35 pm

so all in all its not that much of a good idea nice suggestion tho

keep em coming

echelon · Post by **echelon** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:44 pm

that brings me to a little question?? r ITS also gonna start cracking down on ppl having wireless routers in their rooms?? since it actually forbids this in AUP.. If so I think thats ridiculous... It was so nice to be able to bring my laptop to the kitchen when I was on campus.. They're being way to anal

Post by **BigG** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:56 pm

A ban on wireless access points makes more sense than banning p2p as they can crap up a network - if there are too many of them they interfere with each other along with the official uni ones. The frequency range is only so big

echelon · Post by **echelon** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:06 pm

BigG wrote:A ban on wireless access points makes more sense than banning p2p as they can crap up a network - if there are too many of them they interfere with each other along with the official uni ones. The frequency range is only so big

the wireless accses points in the accomodation should surely not reach into the reach of the official uni ones.. if not maybe the uni should provide access points in the kitchen!!

I kno we had around 5-6 wireless access points in our accomodation last year.. and they seemed to do just fine

Post by **cocodude** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:36 am

BigG wrote:A ban on wireless access points makes more sense than banning p2p as they can crap up a network - if there are too many of them they interfere with each other along with the official uni ones. The frequency range is only so big

I reckon it's out of ITS's hands as to whether access points are allowed. They don't own everything network-related, but only connectivity to their network. Whether Warwick Accommodation has an issue with it is another matter.

Cocodude

echelon · Post by **echelon** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:32 pm

that brings up the question:

Does Warwick Accommodation have anything to do with the AUP??? or is that 100% decided by ITS??

Smelly_Kat · Post by **Smelly_Kat** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:41 am

According to ITS the AUP is decided by warwick accomodation and they're just there to enforce it (or at least that's what they said at the focus group meeting anyway).

echelon · Post by **echelon** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:49 am

well then in that case the AUP does have "right" to forbid wireless access points.. I still dont agree with it.. but to get an alternativ I think access points should be placed in all kitchens.. otherwise I think its being too lame to demand all access points banned.. ppl whose access points interfere or are too close to the official points could just be asked to turn them off.. have it in the AUP that access points requested to be turned off (with proximity reasons) should be done so.. that would be a far more fair system.. that way ppl in whitefields for example could be told to turn it off they interfered with the union access points.. etc