<Zeus> if its less than 0.25 u deserve a kick in the nads
<Zeus> congratulations to you
<JF123> it was shite mate
<yoinkster> what went down
<JF123> they are indeed retards
<Mads> whatd they say?
<yoinkster> is that all u can tell us
<yoinkster> :\*
<JF123> hang on
<JF123> there policy is basically anything they deem to be p2p is going to be blocked
<JF123> i did try to explain to them that dc++ only uses internal bandwidth and very little uplink but they wouldnt have it
<JF123> they also are going to block our roundabout methods of accessing it
<Mads> they ban skype as well>
<Mads> i've been getting 4 second lag type things
<Cocodude> They can never ban *all* roundabout methods
<yoinkster> fucking hell
<Cocodude> Sounds like this is war!
<Cocodude> JF: Post this on the forum if you could
<JF123> in addition the traffic shaper is going to have a script put on so that if it detects a user bursting through the 2.5mbs per subnet limit it will ban you automatically
<Mads> the reason why ppl on campus don't complain is something like no confidence :S
<Cocodude> So if you happen to download something quickly, then you're stuffed?!
<Mads> we all need the internet to do work and stuff :S
<JF123> in addition they are talking about having a vlan for all the high bandwidth users
<Mads> afraid it'll be cut off
<yoinkster> well u can limit ur own upload bandwidth with certain clients
<JF123> i asked them how they will prove you are doing what you are doing and there response was they dont have to
<yoinkster> of course they do
<yoinkster> thats like putting jacko in jail
<yoinkster> everyone knows he did it but no-one can prove it
<yoinkster> hence innocent
<Cocodude> It actually sounds like they're abusing their monopoly position
<JF123> indeed you can yoinkster, but 2.5mb between 250 users is going to be a pretty pissy bit of bandwidth for you to limit to
<Zeus> no..... a single user can limit his own upload
<Zeus> ie like me and yoink
<Zeus> we have shpeshial clients
<JF123> he tried to say i didnt know what i was talking about by talking shite, but i did remind him i was a technician as my job
<JF123> they were both twats basically
<Cocodude> JF: Can you post this on the forum? I'm sure it'll raise some interesting discussions
<JF123> the IT manager is incompetent, and he is very coy; he wouldnt even tell me what make the switches were
<JF123> i can when i get chance coco
<Cocodude> Thanks JF
<Cocodude> I bet they're just Cisco switches are are vulnerable to certain types of attacks
<Mads> incompetent and coy? i can think of worse words :S
<Zeus> i could just go and frag his office.
<JF123> he kept saying he didnt want to release details of the network
<JF123> i eventually got it they are extreme networks switches
<Zeus> a little bit of this, a little bit of that.. a little bit of metal catalyst, stopper, throw and run away
<JF123> he also admitted currently there is no traffic gathering during the night, the device that will do this isnt online yet
<Mads> oooh interesting
<JF123> plus, he didnt like it when i asked if the traffic shaper was just a linux server.. he went a bit red
<JF123> i said they should have a proper device to do it, like an elacoya
<JF123> i also asked if we will get an SLA from them, and they said no, as our contract is technically with warwick accom
<Mads> lol zeus
<JF123> then ITS is contracted by accom
<Zeus> well tht explains everything
<JF123> oh... they told me i was very lucky to see them!! oh wow i got to see two incompetent twats ion ITS
<Zeus> warwick accomodation are cheap cunts who just wanna make money
<Cocodude> JF: That's interesting - it sounds as though it's fair for people to pay £22/month less to Warwick Accommodation because of the internet service.
<Mads> hmm i wouldnt'mind doing that the state the internet is in :S
<JF123> indeed
<Cocodude> You really shuold seriously consider it
<JF123> they also said they dont know why the network is so inconsistent especially when hardly anyone is using DC++
<Zeus> what killing the head of ITS
<JF123> this really needs to be publicised more
<Mads> it's nto that
<Mads> it's just the ppl on campus
<Mads> don't really have the technical knowledge
<JF123> i would write an article for the boar if someone would help
<JF123> it could also go to union referrender if we cang et 80 people
<Cocodude> JF: That's just what we need. Feel free to plug the site!
<JF123> they also said that the rules on no p2p are set by the uni not them, and so they have to enfore it
<JF123> but they couldnt tell me why they allowed it for two weeks
<JF123> and they said they dont know why kazaa etc is still getting through when it is in the firewall scripts to stop it
<JF123> if anyone would like to help in this matter msn me at ********
<Cocodude> I hope they understand that they're pushing for anonymous p2p
<JF123> i warned them of this about encrypted, and they said anything that takes up a lot of bandwidth will be blocked!
<Cocodude> JF: If you PM me (on the forum) with a list of things you're attempting to gather support for, I can put it on the front page
<JF123> ANYTHING!
<yoinkster> haha
<Cocodude> JF: I bet they can't do anything about internal-only traffic
<yoinkster> so playing games is not allowed then
<JF123> so here is their formula at the mo; 250 users sharing 2.5mbits of bandwidth
<JF123> with no burst out of that
<Cocodude> Genius!
<JF123> so 0.01mbit s each!
<yoinkster> thats one sweet deal
<JF123> and if you burst that you are going to get kicked by the shaper
<Mads> oh yay for 22
<Cocodude> Don't you dare visit <gasp> websites!
<Mads> i got more then that for 17.5!!
<Mads> :S
<Mads> INCLUDING a landline
<JF123> i also made the cost point and they didnt agree
<Cocodude> How can they not agree??
<BigG> [20:24] <JF123> they also said they dont know why the network is so inconsistent especially when hardly anyone is using DC++ <- I know the reason...
<yoinkster> cos they suck
<Cocodude> They're a bunch of cowboys really
<JF123> indeed
<BigG> It's because it isn't DC++ that is causing the problem in the first place you FUCKTARDS!
<JF123> it pissed me off so much when he was asking me about my tech job... the woman had to stop us because i was starting to lean over for him
<JF123> i said that G
<JF123> i said the internal swtiches should be able to handle it; but they were like we dont care
<JF123> they wouldnt even accept having a limited vlan to twofo
<Zeus> meh, im paying £45 a month for landline, bills and internet (tho 1mb with 30gb download a month is fair)
<BigG> BT is whoring over the network, it's harder to tell what is going where, they decide to witchhunt the DC++ users...
<Zeus> DC'ers are blaming ITS
<JF123> exactly, BT works even though the firewall is blocking it
<Zeus> ITS are blaming DC'ers
<JF123> nice one ITS
<Zeus> and both are blaming a third party at the same time....
<BigG> BT will still work with limited connectivity because of the way that it works
<Zeus> its not going newhere, these arguments lead to fucking nowhere
<JF123> they also admitted they dont quite know how RESNET works at the moment
<BigG> Well why doesn't that surprise me...
<JF123> although they assured me the SNMP is working on the switches so there arent any faults now!
<BigG> Did you mention that bandwidth caps are /not/ in the AUP and neither are download caps
<JF123> he even said to me "it's our network so we can do what we want"
<JF123> oh and he said they will change the AUP as and when they like!
<UnholySmoke> jesus
<BigG> Erm, I'm sorry... NO YOU CAN'T
<whyiseverynicktaken> hi hi
<Cocodude> Have they ever heard of the law?
<JF123> coco if you could put all this on the forum
<Cocodude> Blimey!
<BigG> That can change to what they like, it's no longer a legal contract though...
<Cocodude> JF: Could you?
<UnholySmoke> Zeus, youre talking sense. im worried all this bitching is gonna come down on our heads
<Cocodude> <-- bit busy right now
<JF123> ok, will copy and paste in a mo
<Cocodude> JF: OK, that's great
<JF123> they basically have no disregard for the law, and contract
<Zeus> its not gona come down on our heads
<BigG> You should write a letter in the Boar about it
<Zeus> its just this constant bitching leads to nowhere
<Zeus> NOWHERE
<JF123> how can you change the AUP midterm?
<JF123> well lets all go to westwood at some time and protest
<JF123> security cant remove us
<Cocodude> As long as it's peaceful
<Zeus> write an article, get it checked over multiple times and get sum1 from the boar to have an interview with the deputy guy... *tht* will lead somewhere
<JF123> which it would be
<Zeus> otherwise, it goes nowhere
<whyiseverynicktaken> i agree with zeus here
<BigG> If it gets into the Boar, something will /have/ to be done about it
<whyiseverynicktaken> its no use us bitching about it cos nothings gonna change
<Zeus> yes
<JF123> let me just copy all this, one sec
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